[clug-talk] n00b

Tue Sep 6 20:01:30 PDT 2011

@TekBudda

That would be awesome. When and where?

On Sep 6, 2011, at 8:38 PM, TekBudda wrote:

> Hey....I have some projects to do like setting up a new server at home,
> setting up an imaging solution, A NAS & a desktop.  Want to come over &
> help? ;-)
> 
> 
> 
> On 9/6/2011 4:29 PM, Stuart Gilmour wrote:
>> Thanks for all the help! 
>> 
>> I have already installed Ubuntu, but am thinking about installing a "hard core" distro just so I can set everything myself. I am toying with the LFS idea but looks a little outta me league. I learn better doing stuff hands on so I think that taking on this endeavor will be helpful. 
>> 
>> Anyway correct me if I am wrong -  a person would want to create the own distro of linux for the following of reasons :
>> 
>> security and size?
>> 
>> is that all?
>> 
>> Thanks and I will try and make it to tomorrows meeting.
>> 
>> Stuart
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Sep 6, 2011, at 9:50 AM, Shawn Grover wrote:
>> 
>>> While Greg's response is a good starting point, the question is where you currently see yourself in terms of Linux (and general computer) skill.
>>> 
>>> If you are not familiar with lower level system admin type tasks (yet), you may want to simply start with learning the environment.  Ubuntu is a relatively good distribution to get your feet wet without being overwhelmed by the depth of the topic.
>>> 
>>> If you are a little more skilled/knowledgeable,  Then Greg's links will probably make sense to you.  Also, you might consider looking at the "hard core" distro's - Slackware, Gentoo, Linux From Scratch, etc. These distros need you to setup everything yourself, which means you get very familiar with the system - from compiling only what you need to using the system for it's intended purpose.  Gentoo is the one I went to that taught me almost everything I know about Linux.  The documentation was very good and thorough.  The LFS book was written by a local fellow...
>>> 
>>> Regarding distros, applications, and choices.... Think about it like buying a car.  You can make use of any car, but some don't feel right, some feel like they are too much, some have polish, while others are more about function than looks.  You need to try a few out to see which ones work for you.  Which one "clicks" with you.  This might be Ubuntu, or Red Hat, or Debian, or Slackware, or something else entirely.
>>> 
>>> One point - be careful to keep the desired task separate from the idea of the "Linux Desktop".  Building a web server is similar regardless of the distro.  Managing a Windows shared drive on Linux is similar regardless of the distro.  Learn the concepts, and everything becomes much simpler.  Usually.
>>> 
>>> My top tips for using Linux.  Use it.  Don't be afraid to use Google. Or to ask for help.
>>> 
>>> Welcome to the group.
>>> 
>>> On 11-09-05 07:07 PM, Greg King wrote:
>>>> Simple question to which I think there are no simple answers, but I'll
>>>> take a stab at it. With Linux you will want to become somewhat familiar
>>>> with the command line and a basic text editor like vi or vim (emacs if
>>>> your so inclined, but the learning curve on it is rather large). This
>>>> will save you from many a crisis when the GUI interface isn't available.
>>>> I'd start with:
>>>> 1. a book on shell programming like "teach yourself shell programming in
>>>> 24 hours" -
>>>> http://www.amazon.com/Teach-Yourself-Shell-Programming-Hours/dp/0672323583/ref=dp_ob_title_bk
>>>> 
>>>> 2. A book on Linux itself like "LPI Linux certification"
>>>> http://www.amazon.com/LPI-Linux-Certification-Nutshell-OReilly/dp/0596804873/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1315267679&sr=1-1
>>>> <http://www.amazon.com/LPI-Linux-Certification-Nutshell-OReilly/dp/0596804873/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1315267679&sr=1-1>#_
>>>> 3. A book on open source network administration like
>>>> http://www.amazon.com/Administration-Prentice-Computer-Networking-Distributed/dp/0130462101/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1315267946&sr=1-1
>>>> <http://www.amazon.com/Administration-Prentice-Computer-Networking-Distributed/dp/0130462101/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1315267946&sr=1-1>#_
>>>> (this one is a little dated but something similar would be good).
>>>> I have personally used all of the above resources and found them useful.
>>>> YMMV.
>>>> Play with a few distros, at least one RPM based like RedHat and one
>>>> Debian based like Ubuntu and learn the software management tools. Play
>>>> with user interfaces Gnome, KDE and a lightweight GUI like xfce. Here
>>>> virtual machines (VMs) are your friend. I use VMware server which is
>>>> free but somewhat old and has some issues, but there are others probably
>>>> as good or better. Buy a big multicore 8GB+ memory machine and load it
>>>> up with VMs - its all free as in no cost so the only limitation is your
>>>> ability to absorb the content.
>>>> There is a lot of information on Linux on the internet (an
>>>> understatment) so just google Linux + "your topic" and you will find
>>>> toms of information but beware that some of it will be out of date. The
>>>> Linux Documentation Project www.tldp.org <http://www.tldp.org/> is a
>>>> good place to start and each distro will have its own documentation and
>>>> release notes which are usually woth a browse, and man pages are your
>>>> friend too.
>>>> I hope that gives you some ideas. Good luck with your quest to learn
>>>> Linux. Taken in bite sized peices it can be a very reqarding experience.
>>>> 
>>>> Greg
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: Stuart Gilmour <stuart at stuartgilmour.com>
>>>> Date: Monday, September 5, 2011 1:07 pm
>>>> Subject: [clug-talk] n00b
>>>> To: clug-talk at clug.ca
>>>> 
>>>>> Hello,
>>>>> 
>>>>> My name is Stuart and I just started to learn linux. I was just
>>>>> wondering if anybody had any thoughts on where a good place to
>>>>> start would be. (books, links, courses in the calgary area) I
>>>>> have "googled" and read few a articles and lessons on the net
>>>>> but there is so much to choose from. PS I am interested in
>>>>> network administration. If that helps?
>>>>> 
>>>>> Happy I found this group!
>>>>> 
>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>> 
>>>>> Stuart
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