[clug-talk] Metered Internet billing - Twitter Rally

Dafydd Crosby dtcrsby at gmail.com
Thu Feb 3 07:36:36 PST 2011


It looks like UBB is going to be struck down by the cabinet :-)
http://www.thestar.com/news/canada/article/932571--ottawa-threatens-to-reverse-crtc-decision-on-internet-billing

-Dafydd

On Wed, Feb 2, 2011 at 10:54 PM, Shawn <sgrover at open2space.com> wrote:

> http://www.ndp.ca/ubb-twitter-rally
>
>
> On 11-02-01 09:54 PM, terr at terralogic.net wrote:
>
>>
>> Really its just as cheap here.  The overhead cable is about the same per
>> meter:  Fibre/copper:  Take your pick.  The interfaces are cheap and one
>> time charges.
>>
>> We should pay the lineman for the maintenence of the lines and do the rest
>> ourselves... possible a coop organisation like Federated COOP.  Or put the
>> CO operations up for tender.
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Feb 01, 2011 at 09:50:57PM -0500, Jesse Kline wrote:
>>
>>> I'd love to see a comparative analysis of the Canadian and Japanese
>>> markets.
>>> Is it cheaper in Japan because of the high density, large population, and
>>> small area? Is it more competition? Government subsidies?
>>>
>>> Jesse
>>>
>>> On Tue, Feb 1, 2011 at 12:03 AM, Robert Toole<rtoole at tooleweb.ca>
>>>  wrote:
>>>
>>>  I'm against this.. it's all about competition (or the lack of it) It
>>>> does
>>>> seem awful suspicious that just days after Netflix announced service to
>>>> Canada, The big four announced reductions in Usage caps.
>>>>
>>>> Canada is an Internet Ghetto. In Japan, you can get synchronous 100 Mbps
>>>> fiber to your house for 50 bucks a month. At my office we are paying
>>>> $1,500
>>>> for the same.
>>>>
>>>> I could go on, but others have said enough to convince me, have a look
>>>> at
>>>> these links:
>>>>
>>>> Usage based billing - http://tinyurl.com/UBBExplained
>>>>
>>>> More about CRTC - http://tinyurl.com/WakeUpCanada
>>>>
>>>> Petition to stop UBB - http://openmedia.ca/meter
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> http://www.reddit.com/r/reddit.com/comments/fbtqa/well_reddit_my_weekend_just_turned_to_shit_im/c1erwdp
>>>>
>>>> cheers.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 11-01-28 03:23 PM, terr at terralogic.net wrote:
>>>>
>>>>  A question I have for you is why you need that kind of bandwidth and
>>>>> how
>>>>> can it be delivered?  Can it be delivered via WiFi?  Can it be
>>>>> broadcast?
>>>>>
>>>>> Most of the population is happy with DSL speeds and I'm one of them.
>>>>>  About all I would like to see is IPTV but this is a poor use of
>>>>> bandwidth
>>>>> but then once the wires are in we should pay for the MAINTENENCE of the
>>>>> wires and not the USE of the wires.  Internet cables are not like water
>>>>> pipes!
>>>>>
>>>>> As I see it the services a company like Telus should provide is hanging
>>>>> the wires and fixing them.  But then I happen to have an account at
>>>>> Anixiter
>>>>> and they do happen to sell both copper communications cables as well as
>>>>> fiber communications cables.  At this time fiber is so cheap there is
>>>>> no
>>>>> reason WHAT SO EVER to use copper!  Bandwidth on fiber is basically
>>>>> unlimited!
>>>>>
>>>>> its not that the technology so not exist or that it is not
>>>>> affordable...
>>>>> the problem is we arn't allowed to use it and we are the ones who paid
>>>>> for
>>>>> it in the first place!  So Telus just sits there and gouges where they
>>>>> can
>>>>> while they can!
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Fri, Jan 28, 2011 at 02:12:39PM -0700, Gustin Johnson wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>  On Fri, Jan 28, 2011 at 1:22 PM,<terr at terralogic.net>   wrote:
>>>>>> <snip>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>  Yes - nucleus resells Telus lines.  So does Rogers.  We Albertans put
>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>> those plines and we paid for them all via AGT.  Telus inherited them
>>>>>>> in a
>>>>>>> sweetheart deal.  The part of Telus that handles the lines IMHO is
>>>>>>> pretty
>>>>>>> good ... in many cases far better than ontehr companies.  But the
>>>>>>> other
>>>>>>> parts stink.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> I have had pretty good experience with this part of telus in the past.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I don't know about Nucleus web hosting.  I just have no complaints
>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>> no - I do not work for them and at this time I am not one of their
>>>>>>> representatives.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> That aspect of Nucleus is pretty bad.  I do not personally use any ISP
>>>>>> hosted services (DNS, Web,Mail, etc...) as this allows me to switch
>>>>>> relatively pain free from one ISP to another.  Of course the wife is
>>>>>> tied to Shaw so they get me in the end :)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The real problem I have is that there is no competition.  Neither
>>>>>> Telus nor Nucleus (or Tech Savvy for that matter) can come close to
>>>>>> the performance of the cable modem that I have.  I would like to at
>>>>>> least try another ISP (heck, I would like to have two or more pipes
>>>>>> servicing my house) but none of the DSL or wireless providers here can
>>>>>> touch the 15 mbit *real world* performance.  15 mbit is not even the
>>>>>> top end of what Shaw can provide.  We need to find a way for other
>>>>>> ISPs to provide that kind of bandwidth.
>>>>>>
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