[clug-talk] Rethread: Spam
me at jonwatson.ca
Tue May 30 12:34:52 PDT 2006
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> Not all incoming mail ... just from people like Aaron who made an attempt to
> help you when you requested it. You asked for help, and I would say making
> the helpers jump through hoops to communicate with you would be rather
> annoying. As was said ... there are other (nicer) ways to go about what you
> want to accomplish.
And via my whitelist I had made provisions for the response via the
means that I initiated the request. I am not psychic, I cannot guess
which email address someone is going to send email from. Come on, now.
> Investing minutes into good discussions is well worth my time ... but I think
> my time is too valuable to waste in an unnecessary process like signing up to
> white lists.
It's not unnecessary to me. Those are the conditions under which I have
decided I will accept your email. It's my time versus your time and
since I'm not in control of your time, I can only look after my backyard.
If you decide that my conditions are not acceptable then so be it. Much
like you have decided that clicking a link is too much work for you
invest, I may well decide that clicking the authorize button for your
email is too much work. Those are our choices to make.
> SA has white lists. And it's all up to you what goes in it.
See? Whitelists are a valid method of controlling spam.
> Well you got the email sure ... but you annoyed someone who was trying to
> offer their assistance ... and all because you want to do it your way. As
> pointed out ... there are other options that do not force your choice upon
> everyone else.
Quite honestly, Aaron's reply had nothing to do with helping me. We were
just chatting. But you're right, I want it my way. That's what this
whole thing is all about right, choice?
> um ... not really ... challenge / response white lists only work after they
> first receive a challenge. If your reply was the first challenge ... that's
> how it works.
Incorrect. An integral part of the challenge/response mechanism is the
whitelist. 99% of the people who send me email never get a challenge
even if it's the first time they've emailed me. Challenge/response
doesn't work without a whitelist.
You're mistaking me with someone who doesn't proactively manage their
I think we need to put this into perspective. I didn't kick anyone's cat
here, I just didn't foresee Aaron's email coming in to me via his
personal email address.
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