[clug-talk] Inspiron 9400
gustin at echostar.ca
Wed May 10 16:11:26 PDT 2006
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Just to be clear, I am a fan of the Gentoo project, I would just never
put it anywhere near a production server or my own workstation.
On the other hand, the system rescue cd
(http://www.sysresccd.org/Main_Page) which is a live CD based on Gentoo,
it one of the most fantastic recovery tools out there. I have used it
successfully several times in the last month.
> On Tuesday 09 May 2006 23:46, Gustin Johnson wrote:
>> <flame bait>
>> I don't think we can book the room for 3 days :P
>> </flame bait>
> That was the first thought to go through my head too... :)
>> Seriously, whats with the binary distro bashing of Gentoo users. The
>> "complete control" line is kinda silly, you can learn about your system
>> at "a low level" with other distros, it is a matter of personal interest
>> and motivation.
> I didn't think my comments suggested one distro was better than any other, but
> maybe it came across that way.
> The complete control line IS pushing it a bit and I did try to allude to this
> in my message. Afterall, any distro can compile from source, and one could
> get apt-get on a gentoo system if you really wanted. But, the comment was
> one of perspective. When I install a debian system, I get a nice installer
> that walks me through the process. Yes, I *could* make some choices that
> will customize it much more (like partitioning, or package selection), but
> you still end up at the same point when you're done - with a graphical
> interface, that you now need to tweak and clean up to suit your needs. (I'm
> ignoring the server install for now... that's closer to gentoo in spirit I
> think, or would that be gento is closer to a debian server install.. hmmm).
> But really, most mainstream distros are meant to install a base system on as
> many different platforms as possible, as easily as possible. So the
> installers tend to make a lot of choices on your behalf.
> With Gentoo, you start from the low level, with nothing really hidden from
> you. The install doc takes you through the process very well, so it's not as
> scary as it might seem at first. In the process YOU get to make the choices
> the installers normally make for you, and in the process learn why the
> installers choose what they do. Yes, you *could* do this process with any
> other distro out there, but they weren't built for this purpose.
> So it comes down to the underlying perspective of the different distros.
> Gentoo is targeted at the "tweakers", whereas Debian/Suse/Fedora/etc. are
> targeted at different folks.
> The only argument for any distro that I can see is that the right one is the
> one that works for YOU.
>>From what I know of Jon, I think he might have an interest in the tweaking
> area, but don't think that's really what he's after. So I think he might try
> Gentoo, but only for a short while. (Just an opinion Jon!!! )
> BTW Gustin... when was the last time I called you when my gentoo system
> borked??? :) Kubuntu, well, that was today (or yesterday I guess now), but
> that's different.. :)
> But I agree with your sentiments as well - people think their distro of choice
> is the *right* one, so try to make other distros behave like it and are
> disappointed when they can't. Hmm... I did a blog on something like this not
> too long ago... (http://grover.open2space.com/node/13).
> Anyways, I think I need to get to bed... We'll go for beer and argue this one
> out.. (not that I really see an argument going on...) :)
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