[clug-talk] Inspiron 9400
mbgb14 at gmail.com
Tue May 9 21:28:50 PDT 2006
Thanks for that. I'll keep all this in mind. I didn't know that about the
GUI installer :-/
Perhaps for the next meeting, someone should do a presentation on Gentoo!
That would be something worth seeing.
On 5/9/06, Shawn <sgrover at open2space.com> wrote:
> On Tuesday 09 May 2006 20:11, Mitchell Brown wrote:
> > I've never tried Gentoo, but I do know that the newest LiveCD has a
> > brand-new graphical installer... much like in the recent flights of
> > Kubuntu! So that would avoid alot of manual compilation labor. I'd
> bzzzzttt!!!! Wrong.... (but to be fair, that was my impression until I
> it out on this laptop yesterday... then aborted the process - read on for
> more on this).
> The graphical installer is only really recommended for those who have done
> manual install of Gentoo a few times. It serves nothing more than act as
> interface to collect the data needed that you would otherwise have to
> at the command line - but it gets ALL of it at once, and then goes to
> YOU STILL NEED TO DO THE COMPILES.
> > love to try out Gentoo too. If you get it all working, let me know how
> > it turns out, and maybe I'll give it a whirl. I've heard when it comes
> > to speed, there's no comparison in anything. It's blazing fast. I
> > guess thats where custom compiling the kernel to your hardware specs
> > helps! If you want some more info on Gentoo, I would point you in the
> > direction of www.systemtrash.com - they're a Romanian (?) podcast that
> > specializes in picking apart distros. They've done (to date)
> > PCLinuxOS, Ubuntu, Gentoo, and SuSE. Plus, they've done an interview
> > with Leo Laporte (*all hail Leo Laporte!*). I encourage everyone to
> > look at these guys - while having a funny-Diggnation feel to it, they
> > seem to know what they're doing!
> The BEST place for info on Gentoo is the Gentoo forums -
> http://forums.gentoo.org. almost any question you can think of has been
> asked there.
> Jon, and anyone else considering it, here's what you can expect from
> - steep, but easy, learning curve. The installation documents are simply
> incredible and explain so much that you take for granted.
> - LOTS of time compiling. I fully expect that to go from scratch to a KDE
> desktop, without using binary packages (yes, that's possible too), will
> at least a full 24 hours of compile time on modern hardware, if not
> Unless you have set up a compile farm. Even with my AMD 64bit 3000+ and a
> Gig of ram, it still took a full 48 hours to compile X windows, and KDE.
> - However, with proper tuning of your system, it will be relatively faster
> than an equivalent install of Fedora/Suse/Mandriva/etc. But don't expect
> get the tuning down until you've installed Gentoo 3 or 4 times.
> - A streamlined system - no unnecessary gunk installed, unless it is
> needed by
> a particular application. (think about abandoned libraries, or programs
> you'd never use - which is the case in all the mainstream distros)
> - A nagging suspicion that you've missed a configuration option that is
> by default in a mainstream distro. i.e. My box does not automount CDs or
> devices. I thought I had this set up, but it's still not working - and
> just not a big enough problem for me to go hunting for it. However, this
> works flawlessly with Kubuntu and other distros.
> - control. That is the ultimate reason to go to a system like
> Gentoo. You
> have complete control over how the system is setup and configured. You do
> with other distros as well, but you have to be concerned when rebuilding a
> kernel that you don't break something. Or you have to work around their
> method for editing/saving your configurations. With Gentoo, you'd know
> (after a couple of installs), what works and what doesn't, with no
> interference other than your level of knowledge.
> I liken the choice of distro in this case between buying a prebuilt car,
> building your own using a kit. (whereas Linux From Scratch would be
> all your own parts). Anyone can drive a prebuilt car. It takes a strong
> interest in how things work to try building your own. But, building your
> gives you a much better knowledge base for working with the prebuilts.
> Windows chauffeurs you around and decides where you can stop, Linux lets
> drive yourself and pick your own destination (and car). Some Linux
> (like Gentoo), give you the tools to build your own car - with all the
> responsibilities that implies. (of course all Linux distros give you the
> tools, but the mainline distros make them more or less irrelevant).
> I'd recommend Gentoo to anyone who is serious about really learning how
> works (or Linux From Scratch - though I understand that's even lower
> If you don't have that desire, I'd stick with a mainstream distro.
> I considered installing gentoo on my new laptop, and decided against this
> a couple of reasons. First, I didn't want to take the time to compile the
> system (though I know enough I could have been up and running in two hours
> at a basic command prompt at least). Second, I don't want to take the
> to figure out the ins and outs of getting the laptop functioning properly
> (wireless, display/graphics, automounts, etc.) Third, I wanted a system I
> could just download an ISO for and do a fairly quick install/recovery if I
> needed to. If I were on the road and something caused me to rebuild the
> I don't want to wast days before it's back to the state I was in
> originally -
> I'd rather only wast a couple of hours.
> That said, Gentoo has a home on my desktop, though I think I've
> installed/removed a few things too many and should start over with its
> (it's been about a year since the last time I wiped the drives, and I like
> try out new things a lot.. :) )
> Hope this helps shine some light on the choice for distro. I'm not really
> trying to belittle Gentoo, but it really is better suited to those who
> to take things apart and try to put them back together. It's a tinkerer's
> (btw, the resolution hack didn't work on the new laptop... so I'm now
> until Linux catches up with that hardware I think)
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