[clug-talk] Mail Server Suggestion?
dan.graham at tanyi.ca
Wed Aug 9 09:42:12 PDT 2006
It would seem they have licenced Toltec connectors for all of the "OutLook"
clients already. I will enable POP3 accordingly and talk to them about
getting the connector from Toltec for LDAP as I think they will likely want
this too. Again thanks for the heads up.
All the best, Dan
On Wednesday 09 August 2006 02:23, Andrew J. Kopciuch wrote:
> On Wednesday 09 August 2006 01:35, Dan Graham wrote:
> > I just did the same thing with Kolab tonight Shawn. Works like a charm
> > with Kontact/Kmail. Has anybody on the list had any experience with
> > LookOut and the Toltec gizmo? I won't have to support it directly (Dan
> > whistles while walking past the graveyard), but the Winderz support guys
> > will likely need some hand holding. ;-)
> Yes ... lots
> <Outlook No Toltec>
> 1. POP3 will run no problems ... still need SSL services to run properly.
> 2. IMAP configuration is no more difficult ... Outlook is broken, however,
> on the advanced connections tab ... when you select SSL for SMTP it does
> not change the port number from 25 to 465 ... you have to manually select
> _and_ change it. Just ask Aaron about this ... he blogged at length about
> 3. Plain IMAP support in Outlook is not very good ... I found have better
> success with with marking the folders as available offline (somewhat of
> dIMAP ... but not overly great).
> 4. Dealing with "Sent Items" is a pain. You can not select a sent items
> folder in Outlook, and therefore have to create a specific rule to move
> sent items into an IMAP folder you create (if you want you sent items
> stored on the server), and disable the regular outlook sent items option.
> Rules can turn themselves off if for some reason the IMAP folder is
> unreachable ... this can go unnoticed by end users.
> 5. Deletion of email is horrible as well. There is no configuration
> options for how to handle deletion of IMAP messages in Outlook. They are
> simply marked as deleted (turn grey and have a line through them). You
> must manually "purge" the messages from the server from a menu option ...
> users tend to not like this. this also means there is no IMAP "deleted
> items" folder. Users also tend to not like that.
> </Outlook No Toltec>
> On a side note ... Thunderbird is a much better IMAP client ... the issues
> I mentioned relating to Outlook are all handled nicely by a feature
> complete mail client (Kontact, Thunderbird). I have had much better
> success with plain IMAP accounts and Kolab with Thunderbird than Outlook.
> On a second side note ... there is work currently being done on a
> Thunderbird extension to provide access to the Kolab shared calendar
> resources, and shared contacts.
> It is still in it's infancy ... and I have had limited success with it ...
> although admittedly I have no patience to work with things on Windows, and
> much less to attempt to troubleshoot them.
> <Outlook plus Toltec>
> 1. The installation process used to be extremely long and complicated.
> This is no longer the case. It comes with a zippy little installer, double
> click and you are done.
> 2. You install your license key from within the help dialog, and is also
> very simple to do.
> 3. They have excellent documentation on the setup process once the
> connector is installed. It takes < 15 minutes to get going.
> Basically the Toltec connector performs message mapping from Outlook
> folders to IMAP folders without you seeing that. This means it utilizes
> the regular "Inbox, Sent Items, Deleted Items" folders that are there under
> your "Personal Folders".
> The Toltec connector is setup via a POP3 account on the server. So your
> mail is popped off, and then placed into a folder which is mapped to an
> IMAP folder on the server. This happens seamlessly to the end user, but
> that's what actually happens.
> I have installed new accounts without problem, and also converted existing
> kolab accounts with regular IMAP, and the messages were imported no
> 4. Shared calendars is the big bonus to the Toltec connector. It provides
> the "groupware" functionality of the Kolab server. Once the folder mapping
> is configured, the calendars show up, and away you go.
> 5. Issues people have with the Totlec connector, for the most part, are
> understanding how a groupware server works. I get questions relating to
> synchronization (a user creates an event, but does not show up when someone
> else views their calendar because they have not "synched"). You can set
> your synch time frame (at startup, when you click on the folder, timed
> intervals etc.).
> I highly recommend the Toltec connector if using Outlook, it will make end
> users lives much more familiar, and easy. Plus the connector is cheap
> cheap cheap ... like $13 per seat ... one time fee.
> </Outlook plus Toltec>
> There is a second connector from Toltec for LDAP address book connections.
> This will allow you to set up and address book for addresses on the server
> (so you have an address book for the entire company available to everyone).
> It is also quite cheap ... like $6 / seat or something.
> I have also used this as well ... and is the same type of installation, and
> the configuration is very very simple, (server, base DN , and credentials).
> The two connectors in combination provide a wealth of functionality to to
> Outlook. They are built intended for Kolab, but can in fact be used with
> any IMAP / LDAP server. Which is also a nice bonus.
> As for user support ... it would be no more difficult than supporting
> exchange ... I think you would get the same problems (groupware knowledge)
> with a pure windows deployment as well. No doubt there will be strange use
> cases which stumbled across issues, but you get that no matter what you
> Highly recommend Toltec connectors.
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