[clug-talk] Server questions
dbhardwaj at shaw.ca
Tue Sep 20 11:51:43 PDT 2005
Not a long reply at all. Thanks.
This is a new install, and SBS was purchased but I can convince the big boss to put it on the shelf. :)
So, there is no migration, email, etc. Its for a startup company.
Shawn - does that change your response?
Although the time is of the essence as well - if I could do the basic install and then continue with the config from my home (that is the reason for remote access requirement), then I could devote a lot more time.
As far as security goes, there is a dlink router, the server box has 2 nics. Can something be done with this setup so negating the need for a separate firewall box?
Is one distro better than another for firewall?
I am looking to gain from in terms of experience, and deliver to customer a good server that hopefully will require little maintenance, will not have MS exchange,
----- Original Message -----
From: Shawn <sgrover at open2space.com>
Date: Tuesday, September 20, 2005 12:23 pm
Subject: Re: [clug-talk] Server questions
> You describe the basic server I use for my own organization, and
> it is totally
> Linux based. However, there is a gotcha here...
> If you already have the SBS server, you need to look at the
> databases you are
> using. Can they be easily moved to a different database server?
> SBS uses a
> variant of the MS SQL Server, which can have some specializations
> that do not
> work in other database systems. So migration can be an issue. On
> otherhand, if you are just starting out and don't have any
> databases set up
> yet, then this is a non issue.
> Another consideration is the email system. Do you already have
> mailboxes on
> the system, receiving mail? Do you need to keep that existing
> mail? If so,
> there are methods to migrate mail from exchange to an open source
> but this must be considered as part of your decision.
> The only other consideration to make is the time you have
> available. Because
> you feel your skills are weaker with server side packages (with
> Linux), you
> will need to go through the learning process. We can help you
> with that, but
> it's not a one day process. It will take time to really
> understand how to
> set up an email server with proper authentication, and Samba for
> sharing (again with proper authentication), and the database
> system of your
> choice, etc. In contrast, you have already set up an SBS server
> which covers
> most of the items already.
> (A word of caution though - my experience with the MS SBS Server
> packages is
> that they are horrendously bad. They work fine for a VERY narrow
> subset of
> requirements, but once you try to do something outside this
> subset, or even
> try to upgrade, you will suffer a lot of grief.)
> If you have the time to build your system and skills at the same
> pace, we
> would be very happy to help you out. A number of us have gone
> through this
> sort of thing before. Also, the workshops we have been trying to
> do are
> targeted at this type of environment.
> Depending on your time and other requirements, I would encourage
> you to walk
> down this learning path. You will end up much better off for it
> in the long
> run, and at the very least will gain the core knowledge to
> understand how
> these services work at a lower level - always useful when you have
> to compare
> systems, or work on a new but similar system.
> If you do decide to go with the Linux server, then I would suggest
> - distro of your choice (some are better than others for behaving
> as a server)
> - Samba server for file/print sharing
> - Simple scripts for backup (the TAR package IS meant for this)
> - MySQL or PostgreSQL (or both) for database
> - Apache Web Server with PHP support
> Most of these are configured with simple text files, but there are
> tools (like Webmin) for this. The hard part is understanding what
> config files do, and what changes make sense.
> Best of luck on your project. (sorry for the long response)
> On Tuesday 20 September 2005 09:15, D Bhardwaj wrote:
> > Seems like I missed a good instalfest where I could have asked these
> > questions. I have an opportunity to build a server. I would like
> it to be
> > Linux but my experience lacks.
> > Right now windows sbs 2003 has just been installed. I am
> thinking of
> > removing it and putting a linux distro.
> > Is this too big a project with my limited linux know how? All
> this is for a
> > small venture but could grow.
> > Ok. server needs to do server stuff (file server, database
> server, web
> > server, print server, security, backup, remotely accessible).
> Ok. my
> > current abilities (nervously) - I can install mandrake, suse,
> and others I
> > am sure via default settings. Past the initial install I will
> probably cry
> > help!! with guidance, I could probably install/configure apache,
> mysql,> postgres, some pop3 email server thing.
> > The constraints - I should be able to manage the install and
> subsequent> maintenance. If this is too much, then I need avoid
> this path.
> > If your responses are going to cheer me on :) - please advise
> what flavour
> > distro to use (ease of use for me, configurable, etc)
> > I hope I did not ramble too much ;) -
> > Dharam
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