[clug-talk] Gentoo 2004.3 is out, and here I am compiling 2004.2
jason.k.louie at gmail.com
Thu Nov 18 11:34:01 PST 2004
Now I;m not saying I don't like getting my hands dirty, its like
building your own coffee table,) it will take longer to make but the
end result is so much more satisfying. What I am saying is that for
something simple the process took way too long and comparing the
compiling time required to get system up with the uptime provided with
a prepackaged distro, I took the prepackaged distro. As the cliche
goes time is money and a month to get a simple webserver running was
too much time for me.
Now I would hardly say that other distro installers are yes/no
installers. Sure you can do that but you can also customize things
also with selecting certain packages.
Don't get me wrong, Gentoo is a great system however to get the sucker
installed took too much time and though enjoyable having the server up
was more important than playing with the installation.
I would love to get a Gentoo system running however resources are
short, (time and money.)
I know there are many Gentoo fans out there and I'm not trying to put
it down. I just merly want to offer my observations with my
experience with the distro.
On Thu, 18 Nov 2004 11:37:32 -0700, Chris Lobkowicz
<chris_lobkowicz at rapid.ca> wrote:
> Coming from the "Gentoo takes a long time to install" argument, I get
> what I put into it. If it takes me a week to get the system built, it
> takes a week. In the end, the portage tree speaks volumes about itself,
> and the fact that my system is spankyfast compared to a (insert a
> generic i586 distro here), is a godsend.
> I actually like the fact that the install procedure is a process,
> rather than a bunch of yes/no/other answers.
> The install method is an excellent way to "get my hands dirty" doing a
> linux install. Otherwise (insert the name of a gui install distro here)
> installs are just that, stick in cd, boot, yes/no/other answers, done.
> Nothing is learned, at least during a gentoo install, I learn about the
> nittygritty right off the bat.
> Gentoo's install method, though arcane, complex, long, frustrating,
> magical, mysterious - always ends up for me being a tailored, powerful,
> installed system. Gentoo fits the bill for me, and I will not use any
> other distro. Other than to play with it, and see how they tailored
> their X environment.
> If I dont need to implement a (insert network service here) *right now*
> then gentoo is my solution, if I need to spin up something *right now*
> then I look elsewhere, either a BSD variant, or a Windows solution.
> For those that complain about the lack of an installer, imho are
> missing the whole point of customization. For the times when issues do
> pop up, the gentoo forums are an incredible source of information,
> regardless of distro.
> And besides, installing the beast is half the fun for me anyways.
> Nothing says "It was worth it to me" to take a month to get gentoo
> installed on a dual P90, without distcc! Installing is half the fun!
> When else do I get to spend so much intimate time with a server? Once
> installed, only maintenance duties are required.
> On Nov 18, 2004, at 11:15, Jason Louie wrote:
> > On Thu, 18 Nov 2004 10:55:23 -0700, Niels Voll <nvoll at voho.com> wrote:
> >> wow - you Gentoo guys have patience fit for a saint !
> >> ...Niels
> > I'd agree. My first and only experience with Gentoo was over a year
> > ago. Before that I've used RedHat6.x-7.x and Mandrake8-9. I was
> > installing on a P200 with 128mb ram. I wanted optimize what I could
> > so thus Gentoo was my descision. Even with the beautiful
> > documentation Gentoo had I still had some small issues with the
> > install... nothing I couldn't handle, (but I found it odd where the
> > installation would fail at diffrent places each time). However the
> > thing that got me was that after a month of install Gentoo I still
> > didn't have a working web server, (a month of spending 1 - 2 hours
> > almost every night.) After a month I finially got fed up and decided
> > to give another distro a whirl. Out came the SuSE FTP install and
> > having never tried SuSE before it took me less than 1/2 hour to have a
> > functional webserver with very few unneeded packages installed. I
> > have since moved to Debian, (debootstrap install via knoppix.)
> > My thoughts on Gentoo is that the system would be very nice on a fast
> > machine but on a slower machine, (the machines that need the speed
> > optimization,) it takes *WAY* too much time to install.
> > I might try Gentoo again down the road but only when installs would be
> > less painful.
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