[clug-talk] Tar file
nickw77 at shaw.ca
Wed Nov 17 11:54:30 PST 2004
On November 17, 2004 12:04 pm, Kevin Anderson wrote:
> > At least he's running an OS where things like this can be figured
> > out. No registry editing necessary, just the basics:
> Funny. I was thinking that this install procedure was a stupid confusing
> waste of time, and that it's certainly easier on windows.
> I installed in on my box by typing "emerge -U mozilla-firefox". I believe
> this would be the easiest solution since it doesn't require him to already
> have another browser installed so that he can retrieve it (sure it'll be
> available for FTP somewhere, or scp, or whatever, but realistically, using
> the Distro's own tools, RH, Suse, etc are all starting to look archaic.
Plus the KDE package manager supports portage so there's a graphical way to do
it now for those with CLI-phobia
> Yast is a 6 out of 10 app. It's pretty good once you figure out where the
> repository is, and get it working, but that always seems to be more
> complicated than it should be. Yast never quite gets it right if you make
> changes outside YAST either, and that frustrates me, cause it's always a
> bit scary to fire it up, and wonder if some change you made at the CLI will
> be wiped out in the process. I have hope for it, but it needs to have a
> default repository, or better, (like Gentoo), it should have a list of 100
> mirrors, and test each to find which is the fastest for your individual
> setup, and then choose the 5 best as it's preferred sites. Then, it just
> needs to respect non-YAST changes better. So Suse might get it right,
> There's no hope at all for Red Hat, in my opinion, but I readily admit,
> that's a heavily biased opinion with little legitimate basis.
Doesn't RH have URPMI or is that strictly Mandrake? At any rate, URPMI is
often a pain to find a decent working mirror.
> Debian, which I poked fun at already this week,
...that was way too funny...
> deserves the biggest pat on
> the back, because apt-get is another example of making things easy. I've
> heard horror stories about apt, but personally, I've never experienced
> them. When I think Debian, I think Awesome distro, but just too slow moving
> to really be useful to anyone. Which is really why Gentoo seems to have
> taken over for it. If Debian had decent install instructions 5 years ago,
> or even made a half hearted effort to use current packages, I don't really
> believe Gentoo would even exist. The funny part is, Debian seems to be
> proud of that heritage. I just don't get it.
it's the '1337' mentality.
I just can't wait until Gentoo's installer is done. Portage is the best
package management system bar none, once it's set up. Support for binary and
source installs allows for a quick install that can later be replaced with a
custom system. They need to perfect that.
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